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 Post subject: Gravekeepers vs LSS
PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 9:46 am 
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so today i went to my locals and had to play against a guy with a complete LSS Deck and i had no chance , except when i activated starlight road and summoned stardust and he couldnt get rid of it.

he can so easily synchro summon shi en and i just cannot get rid of it.

does someone have any advice for me what i can do with my gravekeeper deck against a high end LSS deck?

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 Post subject: Re: Gravekeepers vs LSS
PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 10:12 am 
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shaner1913 wrote:
so today i went to my locals and had to play against a guy with a complete LSS Deck and i had no chance , except when i activated starlight road and summoned stardust and he couldnt get rid of it.

he can so easily synchro summon shi en and i just cannot get rid of it.

does someone have any advice for me what i can do with my gravekeeper deck against a high end LSS deck?
Despite his previous derpishness, Gravekeeper's Guard is actually quite good vs shien. The 2nd place winner at YCS anaheim did actually main 1. The absolute best way to get rid of shien is by returning him to the extra deck with a monster effect. GK guard, penguin soldier, jujitsu master, so on and whatnot, they're all the preferred method of getting rid of shien.

I would go for penguin soldier in side deck, at least 2 of them if you do not have 2 fossil dynas. They have an added benefit of being useful vs. Heroes, sworns, and making KMP/Karakuri synchro wet themselves in fear. Good side deck if you can manage to fit it in.


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 Post subject: Re: Gravekeepers vs LSS
PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 10:14 am 
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Spiderfro wrote:
shaner1913 wrote:
so today i went to my locals and had to play against a guy with a complete LSS Deck and i had no chance , except when i activated starlight road and summoned stardust and he couldnt get rid of it.

he can so easily synchro summon shi en and i just cannot get rid of it.

does someone have any advice for me what i can do with my gravekeeper deck against a high end LSS deck?
Despite his previous derpishness, Gravekeeper's Guard is actually quite good vs shien. The 2nd place winner at YCS anaheim did actually main 1. The absolute best way to get rid of shien is by returning him to the extra deck with a monster effect. GK guard, penguin soldier, jujitsu master, so on and whatnot, they're all the preferred method of getting rid of shien.

I would go for penguin soldier in side deck, at least 2 of them if you do not have 2 fossil dynas.


ok yeah ur right that could work :)

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 Post subject: Re: Gravekeepers vs LSS
PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2011 10:17 am 
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shaner1913 wrote:
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so today i went to my locals and had to play against a guy with a complete LSS Deck and i had no chance , except when i activated starlight road and summoned stardust and he couldnt get rid of it.

he can so easily synchro summon shi en and i just cannot get rid of it.

does someone have any advice for me what i can do with my gravekeeper deck against a high end LSS deck?
Despite his previous derpishness, Gravekeeper's Guard is actually quite good vs shien. The 2nd place winner at YCS anaheim did actually main 1. The absolute best way to get rid of shien is by returning him to the extra deck with a monster effect. GK guard, penguin soldier, jujitsu master, so on and whatnot, they're all the preferred method of getting rid of shien.

I would go for penguin soldier in side deck, at least 2 of them if you do not have 2 fossil dynas.


ok yeah ur right that could work :)
If you're playing gravekeeper, I would seriously consider investing in fossil dynas. They're an insta-win against numerous decks, including that TERRIBLE matchup gks have against monarchs. Fossil dyna + mask of restrict = dead monarch deck.


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 Post subject: Re: Gravekeepers vs LSS
PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 12:31 am 
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Please post your decklist, so others can help you against the match up.

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 Post subject: Re: Gravekeepers vs LSS
PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 3:41 am 
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Monster(16):

3x Gravekeeper's Commandant
3x Gravekeeper's Descendant
3x Gravekeeper's Spy
3x Gravekeeper's Recruiter
2x Gravekeeper's Assailant
1x Blackwing Gale the Whirlwind
1x Spirit Reaper

Spells(13):

2x Upstart Goblin
3x Necrovalley
2x Gravekeeper's Stele
1x Book of Moon
1x Dark Hole
2x Mystical Space Typhoon
1x Allure of Darkness
1x Forbidden Lance

Traps(11):

1x Seven Tools of the Bandit
1x Royal Oppression
1x Bottomless Trap Hole
1x Starlight Road
2x Compulsory Evacuation Device
1x Torrential Tribute
1x Mirror Force
1x Dark Illusion
1x Rite of Spirit
1x Solemn Judgement

Extra Deck(7):

1x Stardust Dragon
1x Blackwing Armor Master
1x Black Rose Dragon
1x Blackwing Armed Wing
1x Gaia Knight
1x X-Saber Urbellum
1x Chimeratech Fortress Dragon

Side Deck(15):

I dont own good side deck cards :(

3x Light Imprisoning Mirror
3x Gravekeepers Guard
2x Shrink
2x Royal Tribute
2x Nobleman of Crossout
1x Upstart Goblin
1x My Body As a Shield
1x Enemy Controller


and i have a question , because i remembered a situation from yesterday

he attacked my armer master after he BoM it in face down defence postion, then he attacked it and said its destroyed because the effect does not activate when he is attacked face down ,so he can be destroyed by battle

is that right?

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 Post subject: Re: Gravekeepers vs LSS
PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 4:10 am 
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shaner1913 wrote:
he attacked my armer master after he BoM it in face down defence postion, then he attacked it and said its destroyed because the effect does not activate when he is attacked face down ,so he can be destroyed by battle

I don't think so. If that were true, Spirit Reaper and Marshmallon wouldn't be on the banlist.

Spiderfro seems right on the money. For Monarchs, consider Mask of Restrict - stops all Tributing, which is fine since you won't need to use Descendant's effect (zero backrow) - and Fossil Dyna.
I'd also suggest Mind Crush and Solemn Warning (if you can get it).

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 Post subject: Re: Gravekeepers vs LSS
PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 4:36 am 
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he attacked my armer master after he BoM it in face down defence postion, then he attacked it and said its destroyed because the effect does not activate when he is attacked face down ,so he can be destroyed by battle

I don't think so. If that were true, Spirit Reaper and Marshmallon wouldn't be on the banlist.

Spiderfro seems right on the money. For Monarchs, consider Mask of Restrict - stops all Tributing, which is fine since you won't need to use Descendant's effect (zero backrow) - and Fossil Dyna.
I'd also suggest Mind Crush and Solemn Warning (if you can get it).


the thing is the judge there said that hes right , so i didnt start complaining

and maybe he is because a facedown synchro monster maybe doesnt count as succesfully summoned or something like that

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 Post subject: Re: Gravekeepers vs LSS
PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 6:31 am 
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Nah, his effect is Continuous. Even when he's facedown, being attacked flips him face up before damage calculation, and his effect prevents him from being destroyed.

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 Post subject: Re: Gravekeepers vs LSS
PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 10:48 am 
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Nah, his effect is Continuous. Even when he's facedown, being attacked flips him face up before damage calculation, and his effect prevents him from being destroyed.


ok if thats really right, i wouldve won 2-1 against the LSS guy and not 1-2

so where the hell are my turbo packs :P

nah just fun , ill settle the score next time and hopefully win 2-0 :)

thanks for all the help

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 Post subject: Re: Gravekeepers vs LSS
PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 10:50 am 
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No offense, but you're side deck doesn't look very good. No mained Tribute? I'd rather main it and side it out 2nd game than have it sided.

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 Post subject: Re: Gravekeepers vs LSS
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No offense, but you're side deck doesn't look very good. No mained Tribute? I'd rather main it and side it out 2nd game than have it sided.



no tribute without PoD , too many deaddraws

and i know its not very good i just dont own good side deck cards atm :P

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 Post subject: Re: Gravekeepers vs LSS
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Remember something: never, NEVER, side in Crossout in mirror matches. If you nail their Spy you'll have to RFP your own Spies too.

It looks obvious but I've seen people fall for it.

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 Post subject: Re: Gravekeepers vs LSS
PostPosted: Sun May 22, 2011 11:19 am 
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That's why you side out Tribute. When do you think you'll side IN the Royal Tribute?

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 Post subject: Re: Gravekeepers vs LSS
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That's why you side out Tribute. When do you think you'll side IN the Royal Tribute?


i just think that there are some decks , when it is just usefull in the first turn , and without PoD its unlikely to draw it so i side it out.

but there are decks i guess where its useful more often not only at the start and because i dont have any other side deck cards its in there

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