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Re: So Romney or Obama?

Post by dedoombringer » Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:43 pm

*shakes head in disgust*
Everyone has the right to a healthy life rich and poor alike.

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Re: So Romney or Obama?

Post by Rognarr » Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:49 pm

Agreed, but health care isn't free, and shouldn't be free. Doctors should get paid well to work.
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Re: So Romney or Obama?

Post by MysticJhn » Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:14 pm

Rognarr wrote:Agreed, but health care isn't free, and shouldn't be free. Doctors should get paid well to work.
What would be stopping doctors from being paid well?
I mean other than frivelous malpractice lawsuits.
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Re: So Romney or Obama?

Post by Rognarr » Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:20 pm

MysticJhn wrote:
Rognarr wrote:Agreed, but health care isn't free, and shouldn't be free. Doctors should get paid well to work.
What would be stopping doctors from being paid well?
I mean other than frivelous malpractice lawsuits.
Nothing.
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Re: So Romney or Obama?

Post by MysticJhn » Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:52 pm

Rognarr wrote:
MysticJhn wrote:
Rognarr wrote:Agreed, but health care isn't free, and shouldn't be free. Doctors should get paid well to work.
What would be stopping doctors from being paid well?
I mean other than frivelous malpractice lawsuits.
Nothing.
So there you have it, universal health care for all citizens wouldn't be a bad thing.
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Re: So Romney or Obama?

Post by Rognarr » Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:58 am

Unless, of course, I am forced to buy it/pay taxes for it. I want the freedom to be stupid and not have health care. I also want the freedom to spend my money on what I want.
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Re: So Romney or Obama?

Post by Alamo » Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:42 am

Canadians pay less for healthcare per person, have some of the best hospitals in the world (Sick Kids in Toronto), our doctors are very well paid (we have to compete with the states) and its available to everyone. Our healthcare is more right wing than a lot of Europe though, they don't pay for some procedures that are not necessary, won't pay if you have to visit a hospital out of country (but most banks have insurance for that) and sometimes you have to wait a while for certain procedures or to see certain specialists. But I'll take that so the mother with 6 kids, the mentally handicapped person in a nursing home, or the homeless man around the street corner, don't have to worry about hurting themselves and not being able to pay for it.

I am a fan however of a two tiered system so those who want it can pay for first class treatment.
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Re: So Romney or Obama?

Post by dedoombringer » Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:43 am

You pay for NASA, what do you think your chances of going into space to enjoy your tax dollars is?

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Re: So Romney or Obama?

Post by Rognarr » Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:55 am

dedoombringer wrote:You pay for NASA, what do you think your chances of going into space to enjoy your tax dollars is?
I don't want to pay for NASA either.
Alamo wrote: But I'll take that so the mother with 6 kids, the mentally handicapped person in a nursing home, or the homeless man around the street corner, don't have to worry about hurting themselves and not being able to pay for it.
I'd give money to a charity that takes care of those people.
Alamo wrote:I am a fan however of a two tiered system so those who want it can pay for first class treatment.
I couldn't imagine a health care system that didn't allow that.
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Re: So Romney or Obama?

Post by Alamo » Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:38 am

Ontario doesn't allow it, but if you have the money you can go to a different country.

I think NASA is a stupid idea too. We have not had any breakthroughs because of space exploration. Just memory foam and something to do with shoes.
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Re: So Romney or Obama?

Post by dedoombringer » Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:47 am

So cell phones and other satellite entertainment are worthless. Plus alot of the advances NASA has made have trickled down.

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Re: So Romney or Obama?

Post by Rognarr » Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:56 am

dedoombringer wrote:So cell phones and other satellite entertainment are worthless. Plus alot of the advances NASA has made have trickled down.
If a private company wants to research that, it's fine. The government shouldn't waste taxpayer money on anything unnecessary.
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Re: So Romney or Obama?

Post by LewieGee » Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:05 pm

@doom: a partisan realignment does nothing to quash the fact the Republican party have always been the way they are today. (Although there's a similar, albeit weaker argument to say the same about the Democrats...)
Rognarr wrote: Heath care isn't a right.
And this is why I struggle to take your arguments seriously.

LewieGee wrote:How long will it take for Conservative America to wake up? You're fighting a battle that's already been lost.
Rognarr wrote:Lost causes are the only ones worth fighting for.
smh if you think a corrupt political system like America cares what something is 'worth'

Rognarr wrote:
LewieGee wrote:Private health care is discrimination against the poor. Although I guess that's what the Republicans have always been about.
I fail to see how.
Try taking a look outside the bubble you're living in.


Any politician can broadcast their agenda and claim it to be the most true to reality (your Constitution makes it incredibly easy to manipulate that... but that's an argument for another day...) but sometimes simple, obvious statements really can aptly summarise this entire thing:
doom wrote:*shakes head in disgust*
Everyone has the right to a healthy life rich and poor alike.
Doom is completely right. You fail to see how private health care is discrimination against the poor? It punishes the poorer people in society who can't afford the most basic of care. Advocates of private health care are generally middle America, comfortable with their earnings and won't be too affected by it so much. It's the poorest in society that suffer. And that should really affect you, no matter how much you earn.

But hey, you don't want to have to fork out a few dollars out of your paycheck so that your people - your oh-so-hallowed "fellow Americans" - can sleep at night knowing if something happens to their children, they won't have to sell what little they have to pay for treatment.

And before you point it out, hyperbole intentional. The Right employ it enough so you should be able to recognise it.
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Re: So Romney or Obama?

Post by Rognarr » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:12 pm

LewieGee wrote:@doom: a partisan realignment does nothing to quash the fact the Republican party have always been the way they are today. (Although there's a similar, albeit weaker argument to say the same about the Democrats...)
Rognarr wrote: Heath care isn't a right.
And this is why I struggle to take your arguments seriously.

I should have made it clearer, we do have a right to buy health care. I don't think we have a right to do nothing all day, make no money, have no job, and still have health care covered.

LewieGee wrote:How long will it take for Conservative America to wake up? You're fighting a battle that's already been lost.
Rognarr wrote:Lost causes are the only ones worth fighting for.
smh if you think a corrupt political system like America cares what something is 'worth'

True. Very true.
Rognarr wrote:
LewieGee wrote:Private health care is discrimination against the poor. Although I guess that's what the Republicans have always been about.
I fail to see how.
Try taking a look outside the bubble you're living in.


Any politician can broadcast their agenda and claim it to be the most true to reality (your Constitution makes it incredibly easy to manipulate that... but that's an argument for another day...) but sometimes simple, obvious statements really can aptly summarise this entire thing:
doom wrote:*shakes head in disgust*
Everyone has the right to a healthy life rich and poor alike.
Doom is completely right. You fail to see how private health care is discrimination against the poor? It punishes the poorer people in society who can't afford the most basic of care. Advocates of private health care are generally middle America, comfortable with their earnings and won't be too affected by it so much. It's the poorest in society that suffer. And that should really affect you, no matter how much you earn.

Most poor people are poor because they decided not to do well in college, to get a sub-par job, and waste the money they do earn. No one is born poor, wealth is something that can be obtained.

But hey, you don't want to have to fork out a few dollars out of your paycheck so that your people - your oh-so-hallowed "fellow Americans" - can sleep at night knowing if something happens to their children, they won't have to sell what little they have to pay for treatment.

I wouldn't mind giving money to a charity that takes care of poor people with kids, or people with a preexisting condition. It's the principle of government forcing me to buy something I may or may not want.

And before you point it out, hyperbole intentional. The Right employ it enough so you should be able to recognise it.

The Left obviously employ it too.
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