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Re: Trump vs Clinton

Post by MysticJhn » Sun Oct 23, 2016 2:19 pm

The problem with your thinking is that the electoral college doesn't have to pick who you vote for.
Your entire state could vote for a 3rd party and the electors would still be able to pick Trump or Clinton if they wanted.
It has happened before that one of them not only gave their electoral vote to one of the Vice Presidential candidates, but spelled their name wrong.

And, honestly, neither major 3rd party candidate has any legitimate ideas for what to do if hell froze over and they won.
They spout ideas but haven't a clue how their ideas would actually work.
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Re: Trump vs Clinton

Post by Evilfaic » Sun Oct 23, 2016 5:35 pm

MysticJhn wrote:They spout ideas but haven't a clue how their ideas would actually work.
That sums it up pretty well, I like that.
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Re: Trump vs Clinton

Post by sgtc1 » Mon Oct 24, 2016 10:58 am

MysticJhn wrote:
And, honestly, neither major 3rd party candidate has any legitimate ideas for what to do if hell froze over and they won.
They spout ideas but haven't a clue how their ideas would actually work.
They really don't. Gary Johnson especially is a joke.

Im not even gonna bother voting. So yeh.
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Re: Trump vs Clinton

Post by MysticJhn » Mon Oct 24, 2016 1:45 pm

Funnily enough, watching that John Oliver clip is what allowed me to say that to begin with. :P
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Re: Trump vs Clinton

Post by Rowwdy Yisb » Tue Oct 25, 2016 1:04 pm

People who aren't voting why the redacted arent you voting
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Re: Trump vs Clinton

Post by XYZ Dragon Cannon » Tue Oct 25, 2016 10:35 pm

Rowwdy Yisb wrote:People who aren't voting why the redacted arent you voting
Because your choice is Tweedledum or Tweedledee.
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Re: Trump vs Clinton

Post by XYZ Dragon Cannon » Tue Oct 25, 2016 10:35 pm

What happened to old mate Sanders?
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Re: Trump vs Clinton

Post by MysticJhn » Tue Oct 25, 2016 10:53 pm

XYZ Dragon Cannon wrote:What happened to old mate Sanders?
He was a Democratic candidate, and lost the primary to Hilary Clinton.
In this country, the two major political parties hold primary elections
to determine their candidate for the general election.
Some states hold closed primaries, so only those registered to that party can vote in the election.
The person who wins the majority of votes in each state earns that state's delegates for the convention.
The candidate for the general election is officially selected at the convention for each particular party.
Some states do hold open primaries which allow anyone to vote for the candidate.
People like me aren't registered to any political party, so don't vote in the primaries.

In short, the Democratic party chose Hilary to run for it and not Bernie Sanders.
There's nothing technically stopping him running as an independant candidate, but
that is financially expensive and legally restrictive, making it nearly impossible to run if you're not
the candidate of a major political party.
Also, he conceeded to Hilary and backed her in support of the party.
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Re: Trump vs Clinton

Post by JhonnyCees » Wed Oct 26, 2016 10:26 pm

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Re: Trump vs Clinton

Post by MysticJhn » Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:02 am

Gee, what do you know, corrupt politics in America.
Shock and awe.

Everyone has known for decades that the elctoral college system is broken,
but unfortunately the only people with the power to remove it are those who benefit the most by it.

Don't let anyone fool you; the US isn't a democracy or even a republic democracy.
It's an oligarchy or, more acurately, a plutocracy.

EDIT: And it's this way by design.
Our honored Founding Fathers created the electoral college because, frankly, they
thought the general public to be too stupid to elect worthy people to Congress or the Presidency.
The electoral college is a failsafe in case we commoners elected an idiot or a pig as leader.
Unfortunately their system has been so corrupted that now we're forced into that choice.
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Re: Trump vs Clinton

Post by JhonnyCees » Thu Oct 27, 2016 2:17 am

MysticJhn wrote:Gee, what do you know, corrupt politics in America.
Shock and awe.

Everyone has known for decades that the electoral college system is broken,
but unfortunately the only people with the power to remove it are those who benefit the most by it.

Don't let anyone fool you; the US isn't a democracy or even a republic democracy.
It's an oligarchy or, more accurately, a plutocracy.

EDIT: And it's this way by design.
Our honored Founding Fathers created the electoral college because, frankly, they
thought the general public to be too stupid to elect worthy people to Congress or the Presidency.
The electoral college is a fail safe in case we commoners elected an idiot or a pig as leader.
Unfortunately their system has been so corrupted that now we're forced into that choice.

Not trolling, could you explain the difference between oligarchy and plutocracy? Never really got the difference, it just seems to me that both are those who have money have power type of thing.

To be honest, now that you say it that way, I think the Founding Father's were pretty smart. To get all matrix-y, they pretty much gave citizens the illusion of choice while maintaining the true power and integrity of the nation. This makes them clever, what I mean by them being smart is, I think I agree with them. Do you think the USA would be better off if we actually did, as a nation, whatever its citizens wanted? Or do you think that having an elite (corrupt, but elite) governing class is overall better for the nation? Its a bit like children and parents, no?

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Re: Trump vs Clinton

Post by MysticJhn » Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:48 pm

In an oligarchy, it's a small group of people that control a country.
A plutocracy is specifically the rich people in control. The oligarchy can be any kind of people.
Depending on your point of view, you might consider it either one or both since our small (relative to the population) group of people are typically the weathiest anyway.

It is like parents and children, but the concept of children is that they eventually grow up and can make decisions for themselves.
We should be at least adolescents by now.
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Re: Trump vs Clinton

Post by Rowwdy Yisb » Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:35 am

MysticJhn wrote: Our honored Founding Fathers created the electoral college because, frankly, they
thought the general public to be too stupid to elect worthy people to Congress or the Presidency.
are they wrong tho
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Re: Trump vs Clinton

Post by MysticJhn » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:17 pm

In a way, yes, because the general public votes responsibly.
It's not the voters who corrupted it.
The problem is the two party system that controls elections, which is something George Washinton warned us about.
Political parties are a bad idea.
The general public wouldn't be voting for Donald Trump if we had no political parties deciding who our candidates were.
The Republican Party chose Donald Trump, not America.
Someone like Bernie Sanders would probably be beating everyone if everyone ran as independants.
However, to be a politician these days (well, even in the past too), you really need the backing of a party to even get on the ballot.
The Democratic Party more or less pre-determined they wanted Hillary Clinton to represent them, as she robotically rambles off the party line.
Bernie Sanders had the misfortune of thinking for himself, and the party system doesn't allow that.

So, in short, it's not the general public that votes badly, it's the corrupt two party system
that IS NOT part of the system proper that forces bad choices upon us.
When someone asks you, "What should we build next to your house, this garbage dump or this paper mill?"
and you're forced to pick one, what do you say?
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Re: Trump vs Clinton

Post by Wallaceman105 » Fri Oct 28, 2016 3:44 pm

MysticJhn wrote:When someone asks you, "What should we build next to your house, this garbage dump or this paper mill?"
and you're forced to pick one, what do you say?
"Get the f*ck off my property!"
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