Official September 2013 Banlist Discussion Thread!

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Re: Official September 2013 Banlist Discussion Thread!

Post by Flying Elephant » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:00 am

MysticJhn wrote:So any reason why the TCG list is so drastically different from the OCG list?
What happened here that we're being treated as two different games again?
The TCG and the OCG are essentially two different games. The card pools are different, and Konami refuses to coincide set releases, so yes, they are different games.

The reason the TCG list is so different from the OCG list is because Konami of Japan didn't make this list. They have their own ideas about what is bad for the game, and TCG higher ups have theirs. The TCG higher ups were finally allowed to have their say in what they think will make a successful format.

Presumably the opportunity comes from the huge overhaul to the tournament and banlist structure that the OCG is going through. The TCG list, if you notice, is only effective until December 31st, meaning we probably get new lists January 1st, March 1st, June 1st, and September 1st.

This list reeks of Tewart, Jeff Jones, and Billy Brake. The elegant hits to the best decks, the murder of stupid cards that have made bad decks sack their way to wins for years, the general purge of bad card design, but backed up by the other hits necessary to keep the game from swinging too far in the other direction. Heavy Storm's ban is a perfect example of this. With 3 MST 1 Heavy there's always the "Set 1 Lose to MST, set 2 lose to Heavy" paradox. Without heavy though, (as we saw) the most viable strategy was to Set 5 Summon Rai-Oh. This list mitigates that by Limiting Rai-Oh, one of the strongest Anti-Meta cards out there, and reducing the quantity of all the playable backrow save for mirror Force. It solves the paradox and prevents the resultant swing to "You don't get to play Yugioh."

This list is incredible from a player perspective because it solves a lot of the sackiness players have been complaining about for years. It also goes to show that a lot of it was Konami of Japan's fault due to their refusal to listen to their own player base.
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Re: Official September 2013 Banlist Discussion Thread!

Post by MysticJhn » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:08 am

Here's the big question since a lot of us play online.

Which version of the banlist is Dueling Network going to use?
Would it be possible for them to accomodate people playing the different formats?

In relation to that, what happens come next Worlds when, after a whole year of OCG and TCG playing
different lists, and with the TCG changing lists more often, what kind of format do they play?

If you ask me, Konami never aligning the OCG and TCG release dates, resulting in this 2 game structure, has always been a messy mistake.
As global of a community this game has, and most everything has these days, it's terrible business to be so askew.
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Re: Official September 2013 Banlist Discussion Thread!

Post by Wrave » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:11 am

I imagine that DN will have an option on which list to play. Personally I like the TCG list.
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Re: Official September 2013 Banlist Discussion Thread!

Post by XYZ Dragon Cannon » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:24 am

DN already has a TCG/OCG button in rated, so maybe they will have something like that in deck creator.

Cannot wait for next format. This is also good because I was always so sad that I never got a holo Reborn and I was always stick with my really heavily used versions from when I still used rubber bands instead of deckboxes and didn't use sleeves. Oh primary school was fun.
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Re: Official September 2013 Banlist Discussion Thread!

Post by XYZ Dragon Cannon » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:25 am

Also, lol at everyone who stocked up on Trish's.
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Post by Wrave » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:27 am

I am just irritated that I will never be able to use my shiny Reborn or Judgment I pulled from LCYW. Oh well my shiny Mind Crush will see plenty of use.

Yeah that falls into the Goyo LOL from last format.
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Re: Official September 2013 Banlist Discussion Thread!

Post by ChaosDraGon00 » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:30 am

I already had 1 trish from the back when it came out I lol'd because half my friends got trolled thanks to the banned stratos,spells and traps
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Re: Official September 2013 Banlist Discussion Thread!

Post by Lord dragon » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:32 am

They banned Shock master, but didn't touch Big Eye. . .

Why!?
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Re: Official September 2013 Banlist Discussion Thread!

Post by Wrave » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:50 am

Shock Master got hit more than likely to prevent a Shock lock format.
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Re: Official September 2013 Banlist Discussion Thread!

Post by Zanrith » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:54 am

XYZ Dragon Cannon wrote:Also, lol at everyone who stocked up on Trish's.
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Re: Official September 2013 Banlist Discussion Thread!

Post by Promo06 » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:00 am

Lord dragon wrote:They banned Shock master, but didn't touch Big Eye. . .

Why!?
Well, to be honest Shock Master is typically far more game changing (assuming your opponent isn't in a mental ward). For 3 turns your opponent can't activate Spells/Monsters/Traps while you are still able to before you use its effect. Shock Master is really not that difficult to make with the high amount of level 4 monsters in general. If you make Shock Master, it is near the equivalent of getting a free win.

I don't believe Big Eye will get hit for a long time actually. Its just very difficult to get out and as a result its not as accessible as Shocky
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Re: Official September 2013 Banlist Discussion Thread!

Post by XYZ Dragon Cannon » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:01 am

Lord dragon wrote:They banned Shock master, but didn't touch Big Eye. . .

Why!?
Completely forgot about that :/

I guess the only real deck that ran multiples of Big Eye were Dragon Rulers.

No other deck will be running more then 2.
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Re: Official September 2013 Banlist Discussion Thread!

Post by Lord dragon » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:04 am

XYZ Dragon Cannon wrote:
Lord dragon wrote:They banned Shock master, but didn't touch Big Eye. . .

Why!?
Completely forgot about that :/

I guess the only real deck that ran multiples of Big Eye were Dragon Rulers.

No other deck will be running more then 2.
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Re: Official September 2013 Banlist Discussion Thread!

Post by Wrave » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:05 am

Prophecy used more of an Anti-Meta approach really. Most didn't use High Priestess and instead used Jowgen and Kycoo.
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Re: Official September 2013 Banlist Discussion Thread!

Post by XYZ Dragon Cannon » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:08 am

Just realised I can run my Karakuri OTK again with Machine Duplications with such minimal backrow knocking about.

I am so damn happy at this list that almost all of my decks got buffed.
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